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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 94 22:02:33 PDT
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Info-Hams Digest            Mon, 29 Aug 94       Volume 94 : Issue  975

Today's Topics:
                        FCC license renewal p
                 FCC Processing data point - upgrade
                        FLAME the FCC (2 msgs)
How to find the answers to frequently-asked questions about Ham Radio
                   I could use a Beverage (2 msgs)
                             Thanks, ARRL
                             VHF radios?
                   Why Some people hate Wayne Green

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Date: 29 Aug 1994 14:12:01 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu![e-mail]
Subject: FCC license renewal p
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Forrest Gehrke) writes:
>I think many newbie licensees and others awaiting upgrades are
>ignoring something at FCC that is different in 1994 from prior
>years: This is the first renewal time for the 10 year license
>which term was begun in 1984.

Good point!  The FCC hasn't really had to worry about renewals for the
last five years (since the last 5-year license expired).  I hadn't
thought of this before.

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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 10:11:05 -500 CDT
From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!mbi.moody.edu!farslayer.moody.edu![e-mail]
Subject: FCC Processing data point - upgrade
To: [e-mail]

Advanced license Processed:       5/31/94
Received Advanced license:   6/6/94
Faxed Copy of Advanced license to VEC:  6/7/94
VEC Mailed Advanced license to FCC: 6/7/94
FCC processed upgrade to Extra: 8/22/94
Received Extra Class license in mail: 8/27/94

11 Weeks 4 days from time upgrade application was mailed to FCC.


Paul Walker N9WHG

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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 1994 00:35:09 GMT
From: news.Hawaii.Edu!kahuna![e-mail]
Subject: FLAME the FCC
To: [e-mail]

In article <33tg2i$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>I don't consider 14 weeks "rotten service".
>
>Wait till this guy waits about a year or two for a QSL card from the bureau.
>  "    "    "   "     "     "  "  "   to see contest results in CQ or QST.
>  "    "    "   "     "     "  "  "   for new announced Ham products to be marketed.
>  "    "    "   "     "     "  2 years for FR5DX to return a QSL.
>  "    "    "   "     "     " 30 years for the next 3Y operation.
>  "    "    "   "     "     " forever to see MFJ change their chincy enclosures
   "    "    "   "     "     " forever for the code debate on .policy to end.


Jeff NH6IL

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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 1994 00:48:34 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!a2i!pwight.a2i![e-mail]
Subject: FLAME the FCC
To: [e-mail]

Why can't the ARRL set up a volunteer group to work with/at the FCC to
help get the licenses issued/renewed?  We do the licensing work for them
- why not help out with some other chores?  A few guys working one day a
month or one day a year, even,could make a big dent.

73,
Phil W5UHK
---------------------
Bob Levine
([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article [e-mail], Ed Ellers <[e-mail]> () writes:
: .
: .
: -->More to the point, exactly how does the fact that this license is issued at
: -->no charge (it's really paid for with tax money) justify rotten service?

: I don't consider 14 weeks "rotten service".

: Wait till this guy waits about a year or two for a QSL card from the bureau.
:   "    "    "   "     "     "  "  "   to see contest results in CQ or QST.
:   "    "    "   "     "     "  "  "   for new announced Ham products to be marketed.
:   "    "    "   "     "     "  2 years for FR5DX to return a QSL.
:   "    "    "   "     "     " 30 years for the next 3Y operation.
:   "    "    "   "     "     " forever to see MFJ change their chincy enclosures.
:
: Any other things worth waiting for to add to the list?

: ---
: ------------------------------------------------------------
: Bob Levine  KD1GG 7J1AIS VK2GYN               formerly KA1JFP
: [e-mail]   <--Internet email    Phone[phone] x247
: [e-mail] <--Packet Mail         FAX[phone]
: ------------------------------------------------------------

--
Philip F. Wight <[e-mail]>

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Date: Sun, 28 Aug 1994 09:44:05 GMT
From: amd!amdahl!amdahl.uts.amdahl.com![e-mail]
Subject: How to find the answers to frequently-asked questions about Ham Radio
To: [e-mail]

Posted-By: auto-faq 3.1.1.4
Archive-name: ham-faq-ptr

How to find the Rec.radio.amateur.misc Frequently Asked Questions list
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This article will tell you how to find the answers to frequently-asked
Questions (FAQ) from rec.radio.amateur.misc.  The FAQ articles are posted on
the 7th and 21st of each month.  This article is posted on the 14th and 28th
of every month as a reminder of where to find the FAQ.

The FAQ articles are intended to summarize some common questions on the
rec.radio.amateur.misc newsgroup and Info-Hams mail list as well as to help
beginners get started.

Besides the monthly posting, the FAQ is always available via anonymous FTP
and from e-mail servers.  This article contains instructions for obtaining a
copy of the FAQ.  It also contains the table of contents from the FAQ so
that you know which questions are covered by it.

Please provide a copy of the FAQ to any new or soon-to-be Hams you know.

Regular FAQ postings can help save network bandwidth and maintain a good
signal-to-noise ratio in the newsgroup.  However, they can't do it alone - you,
the reader, have to use them.  If you are a new user, please print and review
the FAQ articles and look at the instructions in the news.newusers newsgroup
before posting any articles.  If you are an experienced user, please help by
refraining from answering frequently-asked questions on the newsgroup if they
are already answered by the FAQ articles.  Instead, send e-mail to the user who
asked the question.  (It will be helpful if you include the part of the FAQ
that answers their question, but not the whole thing.)

--How to obtain a current copy of the FAQ-------------------------------------

There are 7 ways to obtain a copy of the FAQ.
1) World-Wide Web (WWW) and Mosaic
2) NetNews
3) Anonymous FTP
4) An Electronic Mail Server
5) Mail List Subscription
6) Gopher
7) Wide Area Information Server (WAIS)

Option #1: World-Wide Web (WWW) and Mosaic
------------------------------------------
The World-Wide Web (WWW) has experienced explosive growth in usage in 1993
and 1994.  WWW clients like Lynx (in ASCII text) or Mosaic (X/Mac/Windows) can
display the FAQ from many different sources.  Each source is named by a URL
(uniform resource locator.)  If you are one of the growing numbers of people
with Internet access, Option #1 is your choice.  The following URL can be used
to find the FAQ:

http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/radio/ham-radio/faq/top.html

Other services listed later in this article are also accessible with WWW at
the following URLs:
   news:rec.radio.info
   file://ftp.amdahl.com/pub/radio/amateur
   file://ftp.cs.buffalo.edu/pub/ham-radio
   file://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/radio/ham-radio/faq
   file://grivel.une.edu.au/pub/ham-radio/buffalo/ham-radio
   file://nic.funet.fi/pub/ham/info
   gopher://cc1.kuleuven.ac.be/
   gopher://jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca/
   gopher://gopher.univ-lyon1.fr/
   gopher://ftp.win.tue.nl/
   gopher://gopher.win.tue.nl/
   wais://rtfm.mit.edu/usenet

For more information on WWW, see the comp.infosystems.www newsgroup.  Also,
the help options on your WWW client should be able to point you to lots of
information all over the world.

Option #2: NetNews
------------------
If you are familiar enough with NetNews to look through previous articles on
your system, Option #2 above may be the easiest for you.  The FAQ is posted
so that it should not expire from your site's news spool until the next one is
posted.  Unfortunately, some news administrators do not honor the expiration
dates meant to preserve the FAQ.

Look in rec.radio.amateur.misc, rec.radio.info, rec.answers, or news.answers.
If the FAQ has expired at your site, try Option #3 (and ask your news
administrator to honor expiration dates for articles cross-posted to
news.answers if he/she can.)

Option #3: Anonymous FTP
------------------------
Anonymous FTP uses the File Transfer Protocol.  It is only available to sites
which are directly connected to the Internet.  If you don't know how to use
FTP and can't find a friend to help you, continue to Option #4.  If your site
is not connected to the Internet, you should also continue to Option #4.

The following sites have copies of the FAQ:
site name & address  path to FAQ articles
-------------------  --------------------
ftp.amdahl.com       pub/radio/amateur/faq.[1-3].Z
                     located in western USA, FAQ updated daily
ftp.cs.buffalo.edu   pub/ham-radio/faq_ham_[1-3]
                     located in eastern USA, FAQ updated monthly
rtfm.mit.edu         pub/usenet/news.answers/radio/ham-radio/faq/part*
                     located in eastern USA, FAQ updated monthly
             contains news.answers archive - most UseNet FAQs are here
grivel.une.edu.au    pub/ham-radio/buffalo/ham-radio/faq_ham_[1-3]
                     located in Australia, FAQ updated monthly
             (Ham files mirrored from buffalo/funet/ucsd daily)
nic.funet.fi         pub/ham/info/faq_ham_[1-3]
                     located in Finland, FAQ updated monthly

Remember, when connecting to the remote system, use the login name of
"anonymous" and, as a courtesy to the site administrators, your e-mail address
for the password.

Option #4: Electronic Mail Server
---------------------------------
If you can't use Options 1 or 2, your only remaining option is electronic mail.
You can retreive a copy of the FAQ by sending a message to
    [e-mail]

The body of your mail will contain a command for the mail server software.
To get all of the FAQ (consisting of 70K of e-mail in 3 parts), place the
following in the first line of your message:
    send usenet/news.answers/radio/ham-radio/faq/*

Leave out the subject of your message because the mail server will ignore it.

--- begin sample mail message ---
To: [e-mail]
From: [e-mail]
Date: Mon Aug 14 22:27:33 PDT 1995

send usenet/news.answers/radio/ham-radio/faq/*
--- end sample mail message ---

Option #5: Mail List Subscription
---------------------------------
If you prefer, you may get the FAQ and other periodic Ham Radio information
as it gets posted.  All the information posted to rec.radio.info can be
obtained through the UCSD list server via the "radio-info" mail list.  To
subscribe, send an e-mail to
   [e-mail]
Similar to the e-mail server listed above, just send a single-line message
   subscribe radio-info
If you need more information, the listserv program also accepts a "help"
command.  Just keep it on a separate line in the message.

Option #6: Gopher
-----------------
You can access gopher servers on TCP port 70 (gopher protocol) at the
following locations which carry the Ham Radio FAQ:
   cc1.kuleuven.ac.be
   jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca
   gopher.univ-lyon1.fr
   ftp.win.tue.nl
   gopher.win.tue.nl
For more information on gopher, see the comp.infosystems.gopher newsgroup.

Option #7: Wide Area Information Server (WAIS)
----------------------------------------------
In addition to the other services mentioned above, rtfm.mit.edu offers a
WAIS server on TCP port 210.  Use the "usenet" database to access the FAQ.

For more information on WAIS, see the comp.infosystems.wais newsgroup.

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Table of Contents
-----------------
Dates indicate last modification.

Part 1 - Introduction to the FAQ and Amateur Radio
**  Table of Contents (6/93)
**  Introduction to the FAQ (11/92)
    * How to Contribute to the FAQ Articles (6/93)
    * Please Do Not Ask Questions of the Editors (8/94)
    * Call for FAQ Editors (8/94)
    * Acknowledgements (6/93)
    * Notes on "Netiquette" (1/93)
**  What is Amateur Radio? (11/92)
**  Who can become a ham? (6/93)
**  Where can I locate information and books on Amateur Radio? (9/93)
**  How much does it cost? (9/92)
**  Where can I take the tests? (9/93)
**  What are the tests like? (6/93)
**  What can I do with a ham radio license? (5/92)
**  What can't I do with an Amateur Radio license? (pre-4/92)
**  I'm interested, who will help me? (11/92)
**  Should I build my own equipment or antenna? (11/92)

Part 2 - Amateur Radio Organizations, Services, and Information Sources
**  Where can I find Ham Radio information with a computer? (8/94)
    * Mosaic, World-Wide Web, Gopher, and WAIS (8/94)
    * The rec.radio.* newsgroups (2/94)
    * The ARRL e-mail server (1/93)
    * The KA6ETB e-mail "HAM-server" (2/94)
    * The Internet File Transfer Protocol (FTP) (2/94)
    * Access to FTP archives via electronic mail (1/93)
    * The Ham-Radio mail list: rec.radio.amateur.misc by mail (9/93)
    * Telephone BBS's with Ham-related information (9/93)
    * Callsign servers and geographical name servers (1/94)
    * FTP access to FCC Part 97 and FCC Amateur Radio question pools (1/94)
    * Lists of radio modifications and extensions (2/94)
**  Can I send ARRL or W5YI electronic mail? (11/92)
**  "Why doesn't the ARRL do...?" (11/92)
**  What magazines are available for Ham Radio? (pre-4/92)
**  How do I use the incoming and outgoing QSL bureau? (11/92)
**  Are there any news groups for CAP? (11/92)
**  What's the name of the QRP club that issues QRP numbers? (9/93)
**  How do I become a 10-10 member? (9/93)
**  How do I join MARS? (9/93)
**  How do I join RACES? (pre-4/92)
**  What organizations are available to help handicapped hams? (pre-4/92)
**  I am looking for a specific ham, can anyone help me find him? (6/93)
**  Can I post my neat new ham related program on rec.radio.amateur.misc?
    (pre-4/92)
**  Where can I get ham radio software for my computer? (9/93)
**  Are there Dialup News services or BBSs for Amateur Radio? (4/92)
**  Where can I find VE sessions in my local area? (9/93)
**  Why isn't XXX available electronically? (1/94)
**  I'd like to volunteer to help ham radio through electronic
    information services like those mentioned in this FAQ list.
    Where should I start? (2/94)

Part 3 - Amateur Radio Advanced and Technical Questions
**  What are the different US amateur classes and what can each of them do?
    (pre-4/92)
**  What is the best way to learn Morse Code? (10/92)
**  What is the standard for measuring Morse code speed? (pre-4/92)
**  What is the standard phonetic alphabet? (new 9/93)
**  I'm confused. What do all those abbreviations mean??? (6/93)
**  What do all those "tones" mean? (pre-4/92)
**  Where can I learn more about Amateur Radio if I live outside the US?
    (9/93)
**  How can I get a "reciprocal license" if I am a licensed ham from another
    country or if I am a FCC licensed ham who wants to operate in another
    country (on vacation)? (9/93)
**  My apartment or housing complex does not allow outdoor antennas, now what
    do I do? (9/93)
**  I got TVI...HELP!!! (9/93)
**  Did you know that you can get college credit for being a ham? (pre-4/92)
**  On what frequencies do JPL and GSFC retransmit the shuttle audio?
    (10/92)
**  Can I take my HT on an airplane and operate it if I get the permission
    of the captain? (4/92)
**  How do I modify my current Amateur license? (9/93)
**  I'm confused about XXX, should I ask the FCC? (9/93)
**  Is there any information on antique radios? (pre-4/92)
**  Where can I buy vacuum tubes? (9/93)
**  What do I need to get started in packet radio? (9/93)
**  What do I need to get started in satellite communications? (9/93)
**  What is available to get started in ATV, SSTV and WEFAX? (9/93)
**  What are these contests I sometimes hear, and how do I participate? (9/93)


--Asking Questions------------------------------------------------------------

If you have questions about Amateur Radio (a.k.a. Ham Radio), please read the
FAQ.  If your question is not answered there, check if you have any other
sources (i.e. Mosaic/WWW) before proceeding.  If you still don't have an
answer, post your question to the most appropriate rec.radio.amateur.*
newsgroup.  And be sure to mention where you have already looked for the
answer so people won't mistakenly tell you to try them again.

Thank you for doing your part to conserve network bandwidth!

--Submitting changes for the FAQ----------------------------------------------

If you have comments or updates for the FAQ, send e-mail to
    [e-mail]
This will send mail to all the people on the FAQ editorial review group.

--Call for FAQ Editors--------------------------------------------------------

As with any volunteer effort, new volunteers are often needed.  We need
a new editor to post the Ham Radio FAQ.  Preferably this should be
someone who has enthusiasm for Ham Radio, experience with UseNet, and
the ability to work with the other editors.  No single person can know
all the various aspects of this diverse hobby so the editorial review
group is intended to make a greater combination of experience.

The FAQ is currently posted with the AUTO-FAQ software, which is
written in PERL.  So it would be a plus for volunteers to post the
FAQ to have PERL installed on their system and be able to use "cron"
or "at" so that postings can go unattended.

Anyone who wants to make their contribution to the Net as a volunteer
should contact [e-mail].

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Date: 29 Aug 94 11:33:20 -0230
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.unb.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!leif![e-mail]
Subject: I could use a Beverage
To: [e-mail]

In article <33ha3o$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Derek Wills) writes:
> [e-mail] (General BBS user login) says:
>
>>>Beverage is an antenna.  It is also known as the wave antenna.  It
>>>is a wire of several wavelengths used to receive, not transmit.
>
>                         (rest deleted)
>
> Can someone explain in simple to language to one who should
> know (me) why this antenna doesn't obey the law of reciprocity
> or whatever it's called?   Are there other types of antenna
> that are good on transmit or receive only?  This sounds like
> the end of the Nth law of thermodynamics.
>
>
> Derek "ignorant Extra class" Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
> Department of Astronomy, University of Texas,
> Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
> [e-mail]

Law 2 says once you've radiated your signal, you'll never get it all
back in the antenna again, no matter what. :-)
The law of reciprocity (whatever) is followed.  Beverages are very
inefficient for receiving, but they are somewhat directional and
less susceptible to interference from natural and manmade noise.
So although the received signal strength is reduced, the signal
to noise ratio is improved, and this can make a big difference.

Joe VO1NA  ( a coffee would be a nice beverage about now...)

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Date: 28 Aug 1994 09:57:45 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!malgudi.oar.net!infinet![e-mail]
Subject: I could use a Beverage
To: [e-mail]

Derek Wills ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (General BBS user login) says:

: >>Beverage is an antenna.  It is also known as the wave antenna.  It
: >>is a wire of several wavelengths used to receive, not transmit.

:                         (rest deleted)

: Can someone explain in simple to language to one who should
: know (me) why this antenna doesn't obey the law of reciprocity
: or whatever it's called?   Are there other types of antenna
: that are good on transmit or receive only?  This sounds like
: the end of the Nth law of thermodynamics.


: Derek "ignorant Extra class" Wills (AA5BT, G3NMX)
: Department of Astronomy, University of Texas,
: Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
: [e-mail]

To date, there have been four responses to this question, and I agree
with everything they have said, but none has addressed the major factor
that makes a Beverage good for receiving but not for transmitting.

For transmitting, you want the maximum signal strength.  For receiving,
you want the maximum SIGNAL TO NOISE ratio.  At high frequencies (<30 Mhz)
modern receivers provide noise figures well below the level of natural
QRN, so you can always amplify received signals as much as necessary to
provide audible signals, no matter how weak they are, if the signal to
noise ratio is adequate.  Beverage antennas deliver low signal strength,
but even lower noise, so are superior for receiving.

They DO follow the law of reciprocity.  They deliver low signal strength
in both transmitting and receiving; you don't care in the latter case,
but do in the former.

73, Van - W8UOF

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
*  It ain't wot ya don't know 't gets ya into trouble.  *
*  It's wot ya know 't ain't true. - "Mr. Dooley"       *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 1994 00:29:33 GMT
From: news.Hawaii.Edu!kahuna![e-mail]
Subject: Thanks, ARRL
To: [e-mail]

And an even bigger thank-you to the ARRL for their great email file.
If you want to see what's in this goldmine of info send an email to:
[e-mail]
and only write
INDEX
QUIT
and within a few minutes you'll receive the index of all their
available files.

Jeff NH6IL

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Date: 29 Aug 1994 17:46:04 -0700
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!tahoma.cwu.edu!tahoma.cwu.edu![e-mail]
Subject: VHF radios?
To: [e-mail]

I'm interested in VHF radios. I had a friend once who used his to make
phone calls as well as speak to friends over fairly long distances. Any
info to get me started?
dave

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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 1994 00:54:05 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!a2i!pwight.a2i![e-mail]
Subject: Why Some people hate Wayne Green
To: [e-mail]

Speaking of Wayne, does anyone know why suddenly he lost control of the CD
Review mag he started?  That mag used to be fun when Wayne published it.
After that, it lost its sense of humor.  That's one thing I always enjoyed
about wayne.

Cheers, Phil

--
Philip F. Wight <[e-mail]>

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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 1994 01:00:15 GMT
From: news.Hawaii.Edu!kahuna![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <1994Aug22.151450.9440@hayes>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: Ragchewing conversational protocol

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>
>>> Well of course contests remove the problem by removing the necessity
>>> of having *content* in the conversation. It's just a meaningless
>>> formalized exchange, over quickly, and on to the next station so the
>>> same contentless exchange can be repeated ad infinitum, ad nauesam.
>
>But *most* of it is. Remember the topic is *conversation* and what to
>say on the radio. Contests don't promote conversation, in fact conversation
>is actively *discouraged* by serious contest operators. Score is the goal,
>not exchanging ideas. I didn't say that was *bad* in the context of contests,
>but it isn't a good way to develop conversational skills on the radio.

Gary, you've got some weird ideas. What do you think the contesters
do when there's no contest? Ragchew, of course.  But least contests
are helping to promote Part 97.1(e), international goodwill.

Out of the 168 hours each week how many hours are the bands used
in contesting? Remember, some weekends there are no contests.
And even if there is a contest on a particular weekend, use an
unused band.

You want conversation *and* content? For most QSO's this gives rise
to a contradiction.

>Now it should be well known that I think most contests are wastes of time
>and spectrum, but that's a separate issue.

Probably because what few contests you've participated in you took
too seriously (are you a Type A?). Who cares what your score is -
heck, don't even keep score - just make a few dozen contacts and quit.

Mostly, repeated opinionated postings on newsgroups taking opposing
viewpoints just to stir up controveries

>seem to be
>outlets for the Type A personalities who have to compete or die.

I couldn't agree more!

>I admit to being off the norm in having no interest
>in such empty pursuits.

Posting on UseNet is not an empty pursuit?


Jeff NH6IL

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